Trinity or the Threefold Witness

The Threefold Witness of Jesus

(a biblical exposé of "the Holy Trinity" doctrine)

Comparing three biblical witnesses with three individual persons

I remember one time in my life, as a lost rebellious young man just coming out of my teens, stating to some evangelical Christian friends of mine (who were instrumental in winning me to Christ) that "Jesus was God." Why did I say this? Was this not odd coming from a young bloke who had just recently been using this name openly in vain? However, it was something that had just recently come to me at the time, apparently 'out of the blue' from somewhere, that some way rung true in my gut. And here was introverted me making this very bold statement to some devoted Christians about Jesus being God, to which their immediate reply was:

"Oh no, Jesus is the Son of God!"

At this stage in my life I was playing in rock bands, had hardly entered a church, and had never walked the isle nor confessed someone's version of the "sinners prayer", as well as very rarely reading the Bible which I could not understand. It was not till years after my conversion, and re visiting Jack Chick comics, that I saw it clearly written plainly that Jesus was indeed God the Creator. Moreover, the scriptures verified this. Over time the questions that were constantly lingering in the back of mind ... "Was Jesus God ... period!? Or was He just the second part of the Trinity? Or both?"

To me He could not have been both (God and a second part of God that is). He was either who He said He was, the one and only God who changeth not, ruling out Him being part of a tripartite Being. Yes ... a tripartite Being! This in essence (whether you admit it or not) is God split into three Gods! Okay then, I will rephrase this (to save you turning off) ... this is three persons (people) functioning with three independent Divine roles, all called God together, or the Godhead!

I could clearly see the word or title 'Godhead' in scripture but I had real difficulty in seeing a heavenly triangular system called or termed "God" or "the Trinity". Trinity ... the word for, or the meaning of 'three in unity', but ALL INDIVIDUAL of each other.

Therefore, unapologetically I will now remove the word 'tri' (as in the word triple or triad) from my writings when it comes to biblical revelation, and will use the plain scriptural number (as in de English) of THREE or THREEFOLD from now on. The reason ... the 'tri' word relates to the word Tri-nity or Tri-une God in this case, which is not found in the Bible. By using the double edged sword of the Spirit, and fine tuning 'sound doctrine' down to a 'T' (without an "R" and "I" here), what are we left with? Answer: Yes, the THREEFOLD WITNESS (or RECORD) from God's Holy Book! However, both meaning and conveying to ONE God and ONE Person eternally, and not to three separate entities coexisting together. His name being Jesus of course!

Before we proceed I first wish to make myself clear where I am coming from and deny being any of the following, as I consider myself to be just a Bible believer:

A Modalist: Believing God appears as three different people (even to the point of the three angels visiting Abraham or to three different blokes depicted on artwork as God).
An Arianist: Denying that Jesus or the Holy Spirit are fully God (tough on Pentecostals and Charismatics).
An Subordinationist: Of Origen, believing that Jesus is subordinate to the Father (paving the way for Westcott and Hort and the revisionist committees, set up to rewrite and redefine the Bible).
An Adoptionist: Believing Jesus only became divine at His baptism (errr ... no more comments here).
A Trinitarian: Believing the biblical threefold witness is pointing to or is the Trinity, whereas scripture reveals it points to Jesus as Divine.
A JW (Jehovah Witness) or a Christadelphian: Someone who reacts against the Trinity because their denomination refuses the deity of Christ and the Spirit being God. They go way the other extreme, blind to the biblical threefold witness and blind to it being Jesus.
A "Jesus" Onlyist: Believing unless you only specifically and compellingly make mention of Jesus constantly in prayer or ministry you are not in His name or blessing (like you accidentally sneezed or something at the end of saying a prayer ... oh yeah!).

Phew!! These names do get tiresome though, don't they!? Nevertheless, I do consider myself a Christian (without tags, flags, banners, fanfare, or add ons) ... a follower of Christ ONLY! Let's cut the redtape and let God be judge and let you discern (scripturally)! Moreover, please read this treatise through thoroughly and prayerfully, comparing scripture with scripture (this I call rightly dividing - using the sharp and double edged sword - and I believe it to be the correct interpretation) before you come back at me with spears, knives or relishing me with roses? Ta! Here we go then:

Not that I like using names (as you should've guessed by now), but a christianized Trinitarian is someone who has to see God as three but functioning as one. Or you could say ... one tripart God or God expressing Himself in triangular fashion (see symbols below)! That's God split up into three other (different/distinct) persons/beings. Which really spells THREE different Gods to me, if you really want to be honest. Okay, some of you are already leaving this treatise in apparent disgust. For those who want to see me through (thanks for holding on and please hear me out) the word of God is not bound, so I will encourage you to think outside the Square. Or should I say ... outside the Triangle in this case:

Take a perfect family, for a hypothetical illustration (meaning, it's really a matter of using very poor, imperfect comparisons) ... the Father, the Mother, and the Child in this instance! Dwelling together in blissful oneness (like Joseph, Mary and the baby Jesus - see images below). However, if this 'template family' is really a good illustration to prove God is a triadic system commonly known as "the Holy Trinity", what must be taken into account is that this family is made up of three DIFFERENT entities. That's three INDIVIDUAL personalities with INDIVIDUAL spirits, is it not? Definitely not the same person! Functioning autonomously while not lawlessly! Whereby, and contrary to, the spirit of the Father and Jesus adding up to being the same Spirit as well as the same God. A vast difference really! In this perfect/ideal family analysis (actually being a poor analysis in this case), no way can we describe the Father as being the Mother, nor the Father as being the Child, can we? Just the same way, nor can we describe the Child as being the Father, or the Child as being the Mother in the same way. No, these three (even though they are functioning as one family unit) are three DISTINCT PEOPLE as I just pointed out, in individual spirit, character and personality. It is certainly not a duplication of what is defined as the Holy Trinity. It can't and nothing can! Just like the old proverbial theory of 'perpetual motion'!

In contrast to this, if Jesus is the Father and the Spirit, you simply can't have three different Jesus', can you? It is either the same person, the same God, or it is not. Are you with me or not, thus far?

Okay, take me f'instance (de author of dis treatise) if you don't mind me using myself as a generalized example? I happen to be one distinct person (believe it or not - and I think you have probably heard this poor comparison before), with three different functions (yes, a multi task man). One, I am a son to my earthly father (fair dinkum!). Two, I am a husband to my wife (I think she agrees). And three, I am a father to my firstborn (eh BJ!). Yes, One person but three different roles to play.

However, even though I am who I am (I can't help that!), born of my earthly father, I was not a husband till later in my life when I got married. Just the same, I was not a father till later in our marriage after we had our firstborn. Yet God consistently says He is always the same God that changeth not. Furthermore, it is the Lord Jesus Christ who the scriptures claim to be "the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." Additionally, who was it who declared in Rev. 1:8 ... "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty"?

Me ... I was once just a lad and someone's sonny (thatz to me earthly dad)! Then I became a hubby and a dad myself. Same me! Also, work that one out? Therefore, here's another important question: Was God (I mean God without other names or titles, right!) ... was God always a son or did He become a son?

Email me with your answer please. However, please make sure your answer is a direct and simple answer of "Yes" or "No" in exchange for a direct and simple question! Fair enough!? You can even place your explanation after your "yes" or "no" answer. However, please don't email me if you can't say either "Yes" or "No" first. In addition, a blanket "yes and no" 'together as one answer' (like sitting on the fence) is going to be absurd and stupid, so please don't use this one either.

The Deity of Christ

Moving on and looking at a completely different scenario, and not to be confused with this issue, when scripture mentions 'another' Jesus it has got nothing to do with God or deity, but heresy ... an impostor "Jesus" in this case. In contrast to this, following is a list of who the biblical Jesus is (along with scriptural backing, as the scriptural One from heaven). Here there is definitely not three or more Jesus' in existence or made manifest, but ONE. Yes, the one and same Jesus who not only happens to be our Redeemer and Lord, but eternally God Almighty, our Father and Creator:

Is. 9:6. "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given (God manifested in the flesh): and the government shall (future tense) be upon his shoulder: and his name shall (future tense) be called Wonderful, Counsellor, *The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

John 1:1. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 20:28. "And Thomas answered and said unto him (Jesus), My Lord and my God."

Acts 7:59. "And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit (correct me, but I think this is the only record of someone actually praying in the whole NT with the actual words written)."

Acts 20:28. "Feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with His own blood."

Rom. 9:5. "Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen."

Phil. 2:6. "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God (note: the modern perversions change the meaning completely around in this verse)".

Col. 1:15. "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature"

Titus 2:10. "Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things."

Titus 2:13. "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of *the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ"

Titus 3:4. "But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared"

1 Timothy 3:16 ... God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

1 Tim. 4:10 ... "because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men"

1 John 3:16. "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us".

1 John 5:20 ... "that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."

Jude 25. "To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen."

Jesus is the I AM!

In the OT God was Jehovah to the Hebrews. His chosen people on the earth. Jehovah was the one true living God who made the children of Israel stand out among all the heathen nations who worshiped other false gods. Furthermore, only Jehovah claimed to be the great I AM proving all other gods to be the invention of man and false substitutes for the one and only living God of Israel. It is also important to know here when the Hebrew people where walking in obedience, they never worshiped or acknowledge a triad of gods or a Trinity, whereas the pagan religions of the day did (more on this later). To them, God was the ONE Jehovah. Oh ... but He did come with THREE functional names believe it or not! Yes, this is very interesting and we all need to take note here (and we can all count to three, can't we!):

1. Gen. 22:14. And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh (my God will see)

2. Ex. 17:15. And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovahnissi (my God is my banner)

3. Jud. 6:24. Then Gideon built an altar there unto the LORD, and called it Jehovahshalom (my God is peace)

Wow!!!!!!!!

However, despite this fact (Jehovah coming with three different names and functions - take what you want from this, but there in no triad God here) the children of Israel never called Jehovah the Trinity, justified or misconstrued Him as made up of "Jehovah Jireh, Jehovah Nissi, and Jehovah Shalom ... That's as three persons but as one and the same God!" Did they?

He is who He is!! Prove Him wrong!?

Hey, and something else exciting I have discovered and I must share with you here. It is nothing to do with three here but four (like the four Gospels): Did you know (and you may if you are very familiar with my articles) that the name Jehovah by itself is only mentioned four times in scripture (all in the Old Testament of course) and (here it is) each time it is written in CAPITALS (if you are reading from a modern perversion by the way, you will miss it by hundreds of light years)!

Now let's go to the New Testament this time and we no longer see the name Jehovah ever again but Jesus (Jehovah saves). Moreover, did you know that the name of Jesus also appears four time written in CAPITALS? Incredible but true! This has got to be confirmation of God's seal on a name for one time (to His people the Hebrews) and His name for all time to the whosoever (both Jew and Gentile)! You can now say Alleluia!!!

OT ... JEHOVAH x 4 (notice the capitals)
NT ... JESUS x 4 (notice the capitals)

In regards to all this and staying in the New Testament here, we can see a mystery is revealed for the first time in history. A baby is born of a virgin who is called 'Jesus', from the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew name 'Joshua', meaning Jehovah Saves (as mentioned)! For He will save His people from their sins.

God has come down to dwell among His people as one of His people for the first time. Here is indisputable proof Jesus was God among His people in Matt. 1:23:

"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

Fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14:

"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

Yes, the Word, which was and is God, had become flesh and dwelt among us. Here was the fulfilment of the prophetic word of Immanuel to come ... God with us!

You see ... I am not "Jesus Only" after all, as the erected Strawman goes! The Strawman Christendom has invented to counter the claim that Jesus is God eternally, not the Son eternally, because He had to be born of a woman and dwell among us as the Son of man. This had never happened before and was only a 'oncer' for all time, as we will endeavour to look more fully into it in this treatise and see that any (OT) reference made before this great revelation and manifestation of all time (the Word becoming flesh) was in actual fact the prophetic word speaking, revealing what was to come.

Therefore, here is the arrival of the long awaited Messiah, the anointed one from God, who was God, dwelling among His people. Who they did not recognize and would reject as an impostor and then hand over and have executed in place of a murderer. This is the trouble ... man will acknowledge Jesus as a man, or a prophet, or a son of God, but he will never acknowledge Jesus as God without the Holy Ghost. The doctrine of the Holy Trinity dumbs down this revelation by only including Jesus into the Trinity, subtly watering down His Divinity and true status as God Almighty, while being the Godhead Himself, "the blessed and ONLY Potentate". This is the great mystery revealed in the dispensation of the fulness of times, approximately 2,000 years ago, where Jesus is Jehovah, not a replacement for Him or a part of Him, coming to save His people from their sins.

Rom. 16:25-27. "Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel (Paul took hold of it first by revelation), and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets (OT predictions of the Son to come), according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever.

Yes, God had visited man before, and walked, fellowshiped and spoken to man in times of old (OT). However, the fulness of God, in the Lord Jesus Christ (Col. 1:14-19) had not been revealed. It was kept a secret for all time, until the ripe (right) time, when this great revelation (or mystery) was to be made known.

Eph. 3:3-9. "How that by revelation he made known unto me (Paul who received it first by revelation) the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ".

Yes, Jesus was and is God, and is now made known to the world and revealed unto those that are His. Looking back ... when Moses was called by God to deliver the children of Israel out of the bondage of Egypt, Moses inquired of God and asked God personally, "Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?" What did God tell Moses to say (emphasis from the word of God)?

"I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

Is. 43:10 declares: "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me."

Surely, out of all existence, creation and eternity, the only one who could be qualified to say this would be God Almighty Himself, would He not? That God is I AM and there in no one else besides Him!

Now let's go to the New Testament as the mystery of God is being revealed in all His fulness, and see who claims this great title: The title ... I AM! John 18:6 ... and the authorities were coming to arrest Jesus for making out He was God. How did Jesus respond when they identified Him as just the man they were looking for?:

"As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground."

Yes, Jesus was declaring openly that He was the great I AM thus fulfilling Is. 43:10 as well! Who else could qualify to do this apart from God Himself? Who came and manifested Himself in the flesh! Moreover, who else could stand in His presence when confronted with the fulness of this revelation and power and authority? Certainly not unregenerated man ... and down they went! Because, the non believing religionists despised Him for what He stood for. They despised Him for whom He declared Himself to be ... the "I AM"! The only one being of course who could declare the following authoritatively and legitimately:

When a person in relationship was referring to the LORD, Lord the majority of times started with a capital signifying the higher authority in God, as already explained. When God's title was proclaimed, full capitals the majority of times were used in acknowledgement to the Authority above every other authority.

Mark 12:36. "For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD (in heaven) said to my Lord (Jesus being glorified), Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool."

That's ... GOD in communion with our (personal) God! Or God ministering (or praying to) Himself! Here's more:

Is. 19:4. "And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord (the lower authority); and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord (rendering to the highest authority being personal to His people), the LORD of hosts (in heaven)."

Yes, the Lord is the highest authority and in the New Testament Jesus is proclaimed the Lord of lords ... the highest authority over every other authority. Revealing ... there is no other higher authority, anywhere, anytime, than Jesus! Yes, Jesus is Lord!

Jesus is the Creator/Maker!

Here are the verses (they should be self-qualifying and self-explanatory in themselves):

John 1:1-3. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

There is no doubt this is referring to Jesus because verse one says:

"He was in the world (because He became flesh - verse 14), and the world was made by him (Jesus was the Creator), and the world knew him not (did not realize that this was God in the flesh, their Creator, coming as Messiah)."

Eph. 2:10. "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

There can't be any doubt, really!

Eph. 3:9. "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ."

Irrefutable, wouldn't you say?

Col. 1:14-17. "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins (that's Jesus): Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature (that's Jesus): For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him (that's Jesus): And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

What more evidence do we need?

Jesus is the (great) Almighty!

Rev. 1:8. "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, *the Almighty."

Who is Alpha and Omega? Unmistakably it is Jesus, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty! He is the mighty God, The everlasting Father!

Unmistakably really:

Is. 9:6. "For unto us a child is born (Jesus), unto us a son is given (Jesus): and the government shall be upon his shoulder (Jesus): and his name shall be called Wonderful (Jesus), Counsellor (Jesus), The mighty God (Jesus), The everlasting Father (Jesus), The Prince of Peace (Jesus)."

In the New Testament we see that Jesus is clearly called the Lord of lords. This name and title belongs to no one else. In the Old Testament it was already written of Him prophetically. This sums up entirely who He (Jesus) is:

Deut. 10:17. "For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward"

Again, this speaks of the King of kings:

Ps. 95:3. "For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods."

Though He made everything and us, and came to redeem us, and overcame death by His resurrection power, this same Jesus who reigns in heaven is also coming back for us. As we look for one Lord and King to come back and take us home to heaven:

Titus 2:13. "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of *the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ"

Yes, scriptural and irrefutable!

Jesus is the blessed and only Potentate (1 Tim. 6: 14-15)!

Potentate means the most sovereign monarch and ruler. Moreover, Jesus being the only Potentate takes it to max! What more confirmation do you need than this:

Rev. 17:14. "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

As the familiar verse goes ... "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth"!

This places Jesus at the top of the apex not on an equal level of a three equal sided Godhead.

Jesus is the threefold manifestation of the Godhead and is the Godhead!

Col. 2:9. "For in him (that's Christ) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

Let's look at two important verses in the NT ... 1 John 5: 7 & 8. Of course all verses in the Bible are important as each jot and tittle are. However, sometimes a key verse is either changed (added to or subtracted from) or removed entirely by revisionists because they are only a hinderance to them in making merchandise of scripture (peddling the word) and are not therefore ministering in truth (there's no monetary or prestigious gain found here). Meaning, at the end off the day, truth is not in the equation. Therefore, it is in their interests that certain key verses or words are tampered with in order to create a need for their ministry (justifying their position and livelihood) or hide that fact that their job is not necessary in any way under the New Covenant. Or that they could even be the Devil's emissaries in some cases, sneaking in to dilute the gospel and clutter the way. A key verse in scripture which revisionists have removed or undermined greatly is 1 John 5:7:

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Why is this so? Especially when many of the revisionists and Bible correctors who do this or support this, claim to believe in the Holy Trinity doctrine. Isn't this verse actually reinforcing the Holy Trinity doctrine thereby making it a prudent measure to take, insuring this verse remains incorporated into the cannon of scripture? When taking a first glance at this verse it appears good ammo to enforce or enhance the Holy Trinity concept. However, from taking a second glance at this verse with a bit of musing over, one may begin to see that this verse is taking a slightly different slant on things and talking about three witnesses in heaven bearing record, not three different people in heaven and earth. Thus cancelling out the Holy Trinity claim.

And thirdly, taken into account, this verse is not making reference to a second member or part of the Trinity called "God the Son" at all. But all three manifestations are bearing record to the fact (verse one of this chapter) "that Jesus is the Christ is born of God". All three witnessing to the fact that the Word became flesh. Bearing testimony to the fact Jesus of Nazareth was both God and man in other words. In fact there is not one verse in the Bible that says "God the Son". Nor is there one verse in the Bible which says "God the Spirit" for that matter. There are however, 13 verses (all found in the NT) which say "God the Father".

Furthermore, we do know that the Son (Jesus) is God though, just as we know that the Spirit is God. However (as pointed out) we should all have a problem with this verse because it does not use the term 'the Son' but' the Word', if we happen to be endorsing the Holy Trinity. Realizing here, the Son is not from everlasting. He had to be begotten and born of a woman. The Word is eternal and from everlasting. Moreover, this eternal Word had to become flesh. You see a son is not a son until it is conceived and born.

Num. 23:19. "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent".

Understanding, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." The Son of God had to be conceived and born a son of man, born from a woman, in the likeness of sinful flesh. This is a principle right through scripture. God would not break this scriptural principle and let Himself down like this. Therefore, 1 John 5:17 does not serve Matt. 28:19 in the Trinity sense nor support the Holy Trinity concept at all, but is actually an indictment against it:

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost".

In Matt. 28:19-20 Jesus gives a command to His followers (His called out ones) to go and do certain things in the name of. In "the name of" can be easily misconstrued here and has been. This has been used to enforce a teaching that you find nowhere else in scripture. To those who would be called Trinitarians it would be going into all the world and doing these things in the name of "the Trinity" or "the Holy Trinity", not the name of Jesus, if there is substance in this teaching. However, because this verse gives no such specifics, these traditionalists play it safe and copy the phrased words just like they do with the so-called "Lord's Prayer". They duplicate it in parrot fashion without knowing the meaning and its scriptural objective. They actually interpret it in a subjective manner without one verse in the Bible to back their claims. This is where the principle of "rightly dividing the word of truth" kicks in. So let's break it down and tackle specifics, giving clarity to help find the right objective end result:

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name (in the name of who?)

(in the name) of the Father, (whose the name of the Father? Look it up ... Isaiah 9:6!)

and

(in the name) of the Son, (and whose the name of the Son? Doesn't need explaining ... the Trinitarians agree here. You'll find out why later)

and

(in the name) of the Holy Ghost (and whose the name of the Holy Ghost? Look it up ... 2 Corinthians 3:17!)"

More on this later!

But apparently there is another alibi here ... Again it is to do with either objective or subjective interpretation. The traditionalist takes the later as it serves his cause. Again he does not have to provide proof by weighing a scriptural passage, or verse, or word, by at least one other verse (two is good but three is even better and more concrete) because he has an 'all sown up' interpretation which says that "rightly dividing" actually means carving the Bible up into parts for different periods and different types of hearers. This interpretation is nothing to do with accurately weighing one verse with another verse for confirmation in the here and now, and for the purpose and benefit of the Bible believer. Therefore, the traditionalist has won his case from the onset and refuses to move, keeping his god/s in the box he has made or found for himself. He prefers to not use verses placed on the other end of God's balancing scale to see if it equally cuts the mustard with another verse, thus providing a right weight and just balance. To me this is fully scriptural whereas the other is so 'open ended' that a new movement, a new doctrine, or a new church can be founded by pulling it out of the 'hat of opportunity', conveniently with the word "Bible" or "Christian" stamped on it. Even with "King James Bible" or "Bible believer" engraved into it. Not realizing or choosing to deliberately ignore the fact that God has already divided the Bible up for us, making it user friendly, foolproof and watertight safe.

Simple ... God has divided the Book up into two books for a start ... the Old and New Testament! These are neatly and orderly divided up into other books, which in turn are divided up into chapters, then into verses. And woe to those who would add or subtract to this! Or those who would take Dispensationalism to extreme, and can't or wont rightly divide the word of truth.

Take note that whilst 1 John 1:7 is omitted from the Holy Book, 1 John 5:8 is left in by the revisionists which reads in the AB:

"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

Now lets take a very thorough look at these two verses again beside each other, in the right order of sequence:

1 John 5:7. "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
1 John 5:8. "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

This means the Holy Ghost is one with the Father and the Word as the same Person. For our record!

As this means the water and the blood (Jesus coming in the flesh) are in agreement with the Spirit while being nothing to do with being the same person. For our witness!

Our record and witness to what? That the Holy Trinity concept is true and scriptural? Or that they bear record and witness to the fact "that Jesus is the Christ is born of God"? Bearing record and witnessing to the fact that God became man and dwelt among us, showing us the way outta here, and outta religious bondage. Renouncing placing tradition on a par with the word. And away from keeping God restricted to the confines of a system manufactured by man for man, positioned behind a "Christian" facade. Whereby exploiting the Godhead to such a point by exchanging Him for a 'Triad God' to be sold and promoted as an image and symbol, worshiped as an icon, beautified and decorated as an ornament, in full rebellion against verse like Acts 17:29:

"Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device."

You will see by the visual depictions below, how man has reinvented the Godhead and renamed it "The Holy Trinity" to be valued, adored and worshiped as the Deity above all.

Jesus is the (everlasting) Father!

Hey, did you ever wonder why Jesus referred to a woman of faith in three of the gospels as Daughter, like in Matt. 9:22 f''instance?:

"But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole."

If you think about it, this does make good sense as in affect Jesus saw her as His daughter because He was her Father. Now with this in mind please have a good look (I mean keep reading it until you will see what it is really saying) at 1 Thes. 3:11:

"Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you."

Or paraphrased ... "Now God himself (who is) our Father, (who is) our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you."

Now take a good look at this one also in 2 Thes. 2:6 switching interchangeably from "Now God himself" to "Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself":

"Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father".

Or paraphrased ... "Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, (who is) God, even our Father".

Yes, God is Himself (He is who He is) and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ! Or, our Lord Jesus Christ is himself (He is who He is), and God, even our Father! Meaning, all these references are one and the same Person. Furthermore, God is the Father at the beginning of the OT as He made man then. Whereas He is the Son at the beginning of the NT as He is born then as the Son of man. Therefore, looking at it with new eyes (hopefully through the eyes of the holy Spirit) verses like the following (which the NT is peppered with) takes on new meaning:

"Grace unto you, and peace, from God our (Father and the Lord Jesus Christ)." enclosure by me

Did you know that a way around admitting that Jesus is the everlasting Father and that God the Father (who is everlasting) according to traditionalists, is by assuming there are two everlasting fathers? Well there has to be when using this logic! There is no other way around it! If Jesus is not the first part of the triangular Godhead that is, but the second part. You see, you run into problems here right away, because this would mean there are two everlasting fathers. Whattabout two everlasting Spirits? Or dual Saviours and dual Redeemers, and on it goes! Is God really a god of confusion? Or a two headed creature from beyond? Is there really a shadow of turning in His nature? Is there really variableness to His character? Well scripture says there isn't and I'm going to believe scripture above man. Therefore, I am going to believe that Jesus is the everlasting Father as scriptural clearly shows, and that He is the Mighty God, as we have read in Is. 9:6 previously. This means we have the prophecy of the everlasting Father in the OT we can access from Isaiah anytime, which is fulfilled in the New by making mention of the same Person:

2 John 1:9. "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son."

Here is the full proof you have been looking for, found in John 1:18:

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

If you have the Father and Son you have God. Confirmed by the next scriptural reference from 1 John 1:1-3:

Jesus is the (eternal) Word!

"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life (Jesus); (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

I have noticed that when many people write and mention 'the word' as relating to the scriptures, they change the first letter 'w' to capitals. I use to do the same until the Holy Ghost showed me from scripture that when the word was spelt with a capital 'W' it was referring to Jesus, as everlasting. Furthermore, when the word was spelt with a lower case 'w' is was usually referring to the scriptures, either the spoken or written word, which are both one and the same anyway.

The following verse confirms that Jesus is indeed the Word:

Rev. 19:13. "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God."

Jesus is the (only begotten) Son (not the eternal Son - but the firstborn of many brethren)!

What did Jesus mean when He said, " I and my Father are one"? The Jews knew what He meant because they took up stones to take Him out after Jesus made this comment. Therefore, so should those know who claim to be His today. Let's read Rom. 1: 3-4 for a start:

"Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power"!

Oh boy ... this should create a problem or two right away in regards to the eternal coexisting Sonship thing. Jesus had to be the firstborn among many brethren. "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given"! This is the reason we can also call Jesus our Brother. The firstborn of the church.

I think anyone who names the name of Christ will have no problem with Jesus being the Son. However, the problem arises when Jesus is kept restricted by wrong doctrine and tradition, as to just being "the Son of God", while kept largely at bay here. This box of confinement can be that religious sphere called Christendom, being mans alternative for the kingdom. This is because the institution of the so-called "Lord's Prayer", Christmas and Easter, "the Holy Communion", "the Holy Trinity", and many other things that were brought over from paganism at its beginning, were given a change of christianized clothes straight away. All for the purpose to make it look more appealing and credible to the world while hoodwinking the weak in the faith into the wrong thing at the same time. The reason its adherents will defend it to to end because its tradition is just as important as the word to them.

It is so easy to call Jesus the Son of God. After all, all believers are the sons of God, are they not? Furthermore, if you promote Universal Salvation (a biggie within Christendom) everyone is a child or son of God! Right? And there is no such thing as a child of the Devil (contradicting John 8:44 & Acts 13:10). Which means there can be no Devil either! Nor hell! And on and on goes the apostasy, taking root where ever it can!

Scripture says that Adam was the son of God, where it was also making reference to the whole seed lineage right through to the NT. Here's da proof you should be looking for ... Luke 3:38! However, please note that the letter 's' in son here is spelt in the lower case in referring to 'the son of God'. Whereas, when referring to Jesus as 'the Son of God' in the word, the 'S' is spelt with a capital. Therefore 'the Son of God' in comparison to 'the son of God' is taken further, as Jesus is taken further, not just being seen as man but being God also. Not just being the only begotten Son but the Word eternal. Not just being the Son of God but the everlasting Father. The great "He is, who He is"!! ... GOD!! Whereas, according to Heb. 1: 1-3:

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person"!

This is the very reason only Jesus had the right and authority to claim He was the (only) way to the Father. By seeing and observing Jesus, you were actually seeing and observing the Father, according to Him. Because God is Spirit and only manifested Himself angelically in OT times (as the angel of the Lord - not flesh and blood man), no man could look on God or know His form. As Paul declares in 1 Tim. 6:16:

"Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

This same God is now made manifest through the Son, "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person"!

Jesus said: "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him."

Want to a see God? Want to behold God? Then look to Jesus! He is the only one and the only way, "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature"!

Yes, the doctrine that Jesus eternally coexists as God the Son, the second part or person of the Trinity, with two other equal co-deities (okay, co-entities - if it makes you wheels smoke!), does not stack up. This also brings into question Christendom's concept of the Holy Trinity, a main stay of its very existence.

Now let's look at Christendom's definition of the eternal God found in their creeds and catechisms (that's Catholic to Protestant to Byzantine):

"We believe in the eternal coexistence of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, always equally eternal to one another" or something to this statement.

Bearing in mind this statement is claiming Jesus the Son to be without beginning, yet being the only begotten, the eternal Son of God at the same time (work that out - sounds like an oxymoron to me!). Because, it is simply impossible for this statement/notion/doctrine to be correct as it fully contradicts itself as well as other verses. That's only if you believe in using another verse or two to rightly divide (some of us do). The fact of the matter ... Jesus the eternal Word, had to be begotten; had to be made manifest in the flesh; had to be born as the Son of man; made of a woman; in the likeness of sinful flesh; to be the only begotten Son of the Father. Or to be the Son of God at all. There is no record in the OT of Jesus being the Son apart from in the prophetic sense, as Psalms 2:12:

"Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

Fulfilled in Luke 7: 36-38 at the broken alabaster scene where Jesus' feet were washed with the hair and tears of a repentant sinner as she "kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment", placing her trust in Him (the Son) from hereon ... "He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

The other corresponding verse being Dan. 3:25.

"He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose (a threefold witness plus Someone else - mmm stretching it?- could be), walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God."

This time this verse being fulfilled at the cross in Matthew 27:54 when "the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God"!

I must mention here how both of these renditions from the Holy Bible (OT & NT) have been changed in the modern perversions, to make the heavenly witnesses give the wrong message. It says, or undermines "the Son of God" to "sons of the god"!

Moving on, and lastly (I think) Psalms 2:7:

"Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."

Fulfilled in Acts 13:33:

"God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee."

And:

2 Sam. 7:14. "I will be his father, and he shall be my son."

Fulfilled in Hebrews 1:5 (notice how son has a capital 'S' this time as the translators took liberty in translating under the inspiration of the Spirit of God):

"For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

It's time to pop the bubble and say the creeds and catechism statements in regards to 'the eternal coexistence with other members of the Trinity of God, the Son' is not quite true folks! Our Lord Jesus, who is the eternal Godhead has never been God the coexisting eternal Son. Neither has heaven been the eternal dwelling place for the eternal Son coexisting with the TWO other Persons of the Godhead, which Christendom has titled "The Trinity".

Jesus is the Spirit of God (the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of truth, the Comforter, the promise of the Father)!

Religionists, traditionalists, and even many professing "born again" Christians believe and stand by their "article of faith" which enforces the Holy Spirit (they shy away from using the name Holy Ghost) is the third Person of the Trinity or Godhead. Whereby this is His place, where He belongs, according to them. Unless you have come out of the Charismatic Movement where they go to the other extreme and the Holy Spirit is pushed as '"equally" above the others' (yes, another oxymoron, I know). As long as we don't really see who the Spirit is and who He functions as, nor personalize Him as the Holy Ghost (whose ghost?), at the end of the day, then we are left with unsound doctrine.

What does this mean, or should I say ... who is this referring to in Philippians 1:19?

"For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ"!

There is more:

1 Peter 1:11. "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them (the OT saints of old)".

On this statement we now know that not only does a believer have Jesus abiding in him, but His Spirit. Of course it is now obvious that the reason Jesus is in the believer is because His Sprit is there. There simply are not two parts or two persons of the Trinity dwelling in the believer at once (the second and third Person), but one Person, His name being Jesus. This should make sound sense, shouldn't it? Romans 8:9 gives the answer very clearly:

"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God (the Holy Ghost) dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ (must be the same Holy Ghost), he is none of his."

2 Cor. 3:17 sums it all up that this same Spirit is indeed the Lord! The Lord Jesus being the case:

"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

Here is sound evidence that the Holy Ghost is God just as Jesus is:

Acts 5: 3-4. "But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God."

Because these two reprobates lied to the Holy Ghost, it is clear here they were actually lying to God. Because "God is a Spirit (S spelt with a capital)". And, "the Lord is that Spirit"! Very clear really! Also, by putting two and two together (so to speak - no pun intended) and because we also have seen that Jesus is God (okay - two plus one equals three), He must also be in spirit, the Spirit of God! Therefore the two are essentially one and the same. Moreover, when the Holy Ghost speaks to us, it is Jesus who is speaking and not a dual or triad God.

The fact of the matter is ... Jesus is man, completely! Plus Jesus is Spirit (or the Spirit) completely. Meaning the divinity of Christ is God and man at the same time! This is got to make sense! Look at the next verse a brother has just sent me (thanks Steve!):

John 3:13. "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

How is the Son of man in heaven when Jesus was on earth doing His threefold ministry (there it goes again) of prophet, priest and king? Because there is not a problem in the world (the only way it can be adequately explained in fact) if Jesus is the Spirit of God, or the Spirit of God is Jesus. In the book of Revelation we sometimes have Jesus talking to the churches and other times the Spirit. They are always one and the same Person and are used interchangeably throughout the word.

Oh, and here's one more before moving on, found in John 14 16-18:

"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you (Jesus), and shall be in you (the hope of glory!). I (not saying the Spirit) will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

Wasn't Jesus already there? Yes, because He said, "he dwelleth with you". Soon He would be coming as the Spirit and be in them, as promised.

Jesus is the Christ (the Messiah, the anointed one from God)!

Matt. 16:16. "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."

It should be self-explanatory really, if you believe de English Bible is completely right without error. Here's Messiah prophesied in the OT:

Dan. 9:26. "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off (Jesus' death on the cross cancels out the need for other messiahs), but not for himself (he died for the world): and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary (history repeating Jerusalem's destruction in about AD); and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined (more to come before Jesus comes back to set up His kingdom).

Here's scripture confirming His arrival:

John 1:41. "He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias (Aramaic derived from the Hebrew), which is, being interpreted, the Christ (English derived from the Greek)."

Pretty straight forward really if I happen to be rightly dividing! Jesus is the promised Messiah who came as the Christ, and is now Christ exalted!

We will not go into great depths here. However, for those who would like to do some more digging here are de scriptures ... Matt. 16:20; 26:63, Mark 8:29; 14:61, Luke 3:15; 9:20; 22:67, John 1:20, 41; 3:28; 4:29, 42; 7:41; 10:24; 11:27; 20:31, and 1 John 2:22; 5:1.

Bottom line ... by proving Jesus is the anointed one, the Messiah, the Christ, the Saviour, the Deliver, the Redeemer, the Son of man, the Son of God, as the everlasting father and mighty God, doesn't distract from Him being the same person. Multi functions and multi titles and names, but the same Jesus nevertheless!

Jesus is the God of gods, the King of kings, the Lord of lords, the Prince of princes, the Prince of peace, the Prince of life, the prince of the kings of the earth!

I think we are well versed in the verses here which make clear Jesus being the Lord of lords, or at least should be. Which means? Let's take another look and see what we can see this time?:

Old Testamant:

Ps. 136:3. "O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever."
Deut. 10:17. "For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible".
Josh. 22:22. "The LORD God of gods, the LORD God of gods, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know".
Ps. 136:2. "O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever."
Dan. 2:47. "The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets".
Dan. 8:25 ... "and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes".
Dan. 11:36 ... shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished".
Is. 9:6 ... "and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

New Testament:

1 Tim.6:15. "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords".
Rev. 17:14. "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings".
Rev. 19:16. "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." (the Bible's emphasis)

More than just 'interesting reading' or 'food for thought'! There should be no doubt remaining that Jesus is "the fulness of him that filleth all in all"! Moving on ...

Jesus (Joshua OT) is Jehovah saves (God who saves)!

The cult called Jehovah Witnesses are big on the Trinity. Preaching against it that is! Unfortunately they too, like many others, don't realize that there is a New Covenant. They are still living under the Old where Go